Cheap Talk

Cheap Talk is an every-week-or-so international relations podcast with Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes, professors of government at William & Mary.

Armageddon, Not Just a Good Movie Anymore

The sixtieth anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis; lessons from the crisis; the dangers of reasoning from analogy; why Russia would use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine; how NATO would respond if they did; gambling for resurrection; the US role in facilitating peace; and Marcus would prefer that countries refrain from using nuclear weapons

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Is Nothing Sacred?

Allegations of cheating in chess; how to go about cheating in chess (but you shouldn’t do it); a questionable analogy to face-to-face diplomacy; how Russia’s invasion of Ukraine affects international chess; looking into Putin’s soul; and Marcus shares his chess journey

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Both Very Clear and Also Extremely Ambiguous

Escalation management; sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipeline; signals of Russian resolve; what the end of the war in Ukraine looks like; backing Putin into a corner; US strategic ambiguity toward Russia and China; Iran protests; and Marcus confesses he is not a military strategy guy

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This Weird Corner of History

The Cheap Talk season 2 finale: Authenticating the sender of international signals; the problem of communicating through intermediaries; technology and leader communication; IR predictions for the year ahead; and Marcus explains how fax machines work

This Weird Corner of History
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

Those Are Not Their Actual Faces

Artificial intelligence; how algorithms can aid policy or intelligence analysis; building trust in the output of machine learning models; creating models without access to secret data; autonomous weapon systems; diplomacy in the metaverse; and Marcus offers tips for cooking a Thanksgiving turkey

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Further reading:

“Virtual Reality Emerges in International Exchanges in Egypt – A Glimpse into the Future.” 2021. US Department of State Dipnote.

J. Kenji Lopez-Alt. 2020. How to Cook a Spatchcocked Turkey: The Fastest, Easiest Thanksgiving Turkey. Serious Eats.

J. Kenji Lopez-Alt. 2018. “Herb-Roasted Turkey With Stuffing.” Serious Eats. (On how to safely cook stuffing in the turkey.)

J. Kenji Lopez-Alt. 2021. “The Importance of Resting Meat.” Serious Eats. (“For a 12 to 15 pound turkey roasted at high temperatures, a rest of at least 20 to 30 minutes before carving is recommended.”)

Those Are Not Their Actual Faces
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

Exploiters of the Earth

The COP26 international meeting on climate change; inviting civil society and oil companies into the room; how open should the conference be; the mechanisms by which an international conference can affect climate change; prospects for the success of international efforts; the role of nuclear energy in mitigating climate change; a listener asks about the chances of a US-Iran agreement on a nuclear deal; and Marcus comes reasonably close to pronouncing Greta Thunberg’s name correctly

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Pronunciation guide:

On the Cuyahoga river, see “Letters: Cuyahoga River.” 2009. All Things Considered. National Public Radio.

On Greta Thunberg, see “Greta Thunberg Wins Alternative Nobel.” 2019. Bloomberg QuickTake.

Exploiters of the Earth
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

There’s Quite a Bit of Hand-Waving Going On

Great power conflict; the US role in abetting China’s rise; realism as both prescription and description; prospects for the future US-China relationship; the drivers of China’s nuclear expansion; a listener asks about US diplomatic engagement in the China-Taiwan dispute; and Marcus (again) thinks the answer is more diplomacy

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Further reading:

John J. Mearsheimer. 2021. “The Inevitable Rivalry: America, China, and the Tragedy of Great-Power Politics.” Foreign Affairs.

Matthew Kroenig. 2018. The Logic of American Nuclear Strategy: Why Strategic Superiority Matters. Oxford University Press.

There's Quite a Bit of Hand-Waving Going On
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

The Elites With Too Much Time On Their Hands

The US commitment to defend Taiwan; signaling resolve while maintaining strategic ambiguity; things are dangerous out there; the effect of US public opinion on US foreign policy; a hint for those writing policy memos for class; the external validity of survey experiments in political science; COVID vaccine diplomacy and international influence; and Marcus claims he’s more of a craps player than a blackjack player

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The Elites With Too Much Time On Their Hands
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That Seems Like Kind of a Stupid Thing To Complain About

The gap between academia and policy; where policy beliefs come from; how we would know if there were a gap; policymakers are busy people; less methodological sophistication is not the answer; science communication can bridge the gap; and Marcus mentions offhandedly that he frequently gets invited to the State Department

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That Seems Like Kind of a Stupid Thing To Complain About
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

The Experiment That We're Running in This Crazy World of Ours

Pure theorizing versus applied research; positivist and non-positivist approaches in international relations; international relations is what the field says it is; the relevance of the international relations paradigms; a defense of methodological pluralism; and Marcus reads a quote from Kenneth Waltz several times

Further reading:

David A. Lake. 2011. “Why ‘isms’ Are Evil: Theory, Epistemology, and Academic Sects as Impediments to Understanding and Progress.” International Studies Quarterly 55(2): 465–480.

John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt. 2013. “Leaving Theory Behind: Why Simplistic Hypothesis Testing is Bad for International Relations.” European Journal of International Relations 19(3): 427–457.

The Experiment That We're Running in This Crazy World of Ours
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

The Real Victims Are the Gala-Goers

Judging the US-Russia summit; the risks of failed summit diplomacy; AUKUS; countering China versus nonproliferation policy; nuclear submarines; the role of precedent and norms in international relations; and Marcus makes a note in his Google calendar

Further reading:

Jeffrey M. Kaplow. 2015. “The Canary in the Nuclear Submarine: Assessing the Nonproliferation Risk of the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Loophole.” Nonproliferation Review 22(2): 185–202.

The Real Victims Are the Gala-Goers
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

Maybe Quibbles To Be Had There

Cheap Talk makes its triumphant return for season 2: The US withdrawal from Afghanistan; reputations for resolve in international relations; foreign policy as a partisan issue; the legacy of 9/11; and Marcus didn’t know what to do, so he went to class

Maybe Quibbles To Be Had There

Plucked From Obscurity

The Cheap Talk season finale: Redeeming the polls and Nate Silver; embracing international institutions and alliances; a chance to get back into a deal with Iran; North Korea is still a mess; and Marcus thinks face-to-face diplomacy is the answer

Plucked From Obscurity
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

Facebook Is a Criminal Enterprise

Believing the polls in advance of the US presidential election; the national vote versus the electoral college; what to think about early vote tallies; addressing and deterring disinformation campaigns; and Marcus makes a prediction even though he doesn’t have a great theory

Facebook Is a Criminal Enterprise
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

Freedom From the Burden of Explanation

The role of prediction in IR; forecasting without a solid theory; should we believe FiveThirtyEight’s election predictions; predictions that turn into self-negating prophecies; and Marcus complains that Netflix keeps recommending the Great British Baking Show

Freedom From the Burden of Explanation
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

That's Just Good Business

Whether more nuclear weapons are better; the risk of accidental nuclear use; the role of US nuclear weapons in spurring more proliferation; the reality of a world of nuclear haves and have-nots; and Marcus discovers hypocrisy exists in international politics

That's Just Good Business
Jeff Kaplow and Marcus Holmes

There Were Bales of Hay and It Was a Nice Day Out